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		<title>By: REVIEW: Cirque du Soleil&#8217;s &#8220;Banana Shpeel&#8221; &#171; Chicago Theater Blog</title>
		<link>http://theaterforthefuture.com/bad-form-cirque-marketing-dept-slips-on-its-own-banana/comment-page-1/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>REVIEW: Cirque du Soleil&#8217;s &#8220;Banana Shpeel&#8221; &#171; Chicago Theater Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the incredible pre-show hype, which included spammers posting to local blogs, and the price of decent seats, I&#8217;m inclined to average down. Cirque fans who need a fix are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the incredible pre-show hype, which included spammers posting to local blogs, and the price of decent seats, I&#8217;m inclined to average down. Cirque fans who need a fix are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keenan</title>
		<link>http://theaterforthefuture.com/bad-form-cirque-marketing-dept-slips-on-its-own-banana/comment-page-1/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update, Leah.  It looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/ThtrBob/status/5300345797&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bob has been getting the same info&lt;/a&gt; from the publicist as well.  It&#039;s just a little reassuring to know that it seems to be a rogue vendor of some kind who has been hired to do the work rather than the publicists themselves - and that it is clearly a mistaken strategy - but someone did the hiring of whatever firm is doing this at some point, and that requires a certain level of due diligence.

It occurs to me that the boycott language may seem harsh and impulsive in that context.  What I mean by it is:  if this is your contact with the show as a blogger, don&#039;t see it, and don&#039;t encourage them.  I&#039;m sure with it being Cirque that it&#039;s unreasonable for media outlets to not cover this, so I can&#039;t reasonably ask that, but I hope this is at the least a vote for more in-depth coverage rather than ad nauseum xeroxing of press releases.  If there&#039;s *additional* contact with the show that is positive - such as the work that I know the local publicist is now running around doing putting out this fire, that&#039;s a different story.  

I think that the behavior and culture of the SEOers and Social Marketing gurus that sell this kind of snake oil service is seriously flawed and needs to be met with some resistance and positive reinforcement in the other direction.  As Rebecca Coleman says, we&#039;re not advancing into a computer-generated auto-marketing era, we&#039;re actually reverting back here to the days the door-to-door salesman, and that means more handshaking, more customized tailoring of the pitch to individual needs.  This is a GOOD thing, and yes, it&#039;s more work, which may seem in the short term like smaller profit margins - but that doesn&#039;t equate to less return on the investment of developing richer relationships with the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Leah.  It looks like <a target="_blank" href="http://twitter.com/ThtrBob/status/5300345797"  rel="nofollow">Bob has been getting the same info</a> from the publicist as well.  It&#8217;s just a little reassuring to know that it seems to be a rogue vendor of some kind who has been hired to do the work rather than the publicists themselves &#8211; and that it is clearly a mistaken strategy &#8211; but someone did the hiring of whatever firm is doing this at some point, and that requires a certain level of due diligence.</p>
<p>It occurs to me that the boycott language may seem harsh and impulsive in that context.  What I mean by it is:  if this is your contact with the show as a blogger, don&#8217;t see it, and don&#8217;t encourage them.  I&#8217;m sure with it being Cirque that it&#8217;s unreasonable for media outlets to not cover this, so I can&#8217;t reasonably ask that, but I hope this is at the least a vote for more in-depth coverage rather than ad nauseum xeroxing of press releases.  If there&#8217;s *additional* contact with the show that is positive &#8211; such as the work that I know the local publicist is now running around doing putting out this fire, that&#8217;s a different story.  </p>
<p>I think that the behavior and culture of the SEOers and Social Marketing gurus that sell this kind of snake oil service is seriously flawed and needs to be met with some resistance and positive reinforcement in the other direction.  As Rebecca Coleman says, we&#8217;re not advancing into a computer-generated auto-marketing era, we&#8217;re actually reverting back here to the days the door-to-door salesman, and that means more handshaking, more customized tailoring of the pitch to individual needs.  This is a GOOD thing, and yes, it&#8217;s more work, which may seem in the short term like smaller profit margins &#8211; but that doesn&#8217;t equate to less return on the investment of developing richer relationships with the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah A. Zeldes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah A. Zeldes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not even being particularly bright about this. I blog about dining and entertainment for &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.diningchicago.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dining Chicago&lt;/a&gt;. Instead of picking one of the theater posts to put their spam on, they put it in the comments of a post about cookbooks -- twice!

I asked the local publicist about it, and she had no idea what was happening. (But she apologized anyway.) It&#039;s really a shame that they&#039;re undermining her efforts this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not even being particularly bright about this. I blog about dining and entertainment for <a target="_blank" href="http://blog.diningchicago.com"  rel="nofollow">Dining Chicago</a>. Instead of picking one of the theater posts to put their spam on, they put it in the comments of a post about cookbooks &#8212; twice!</p>
<p>I asked the local publicist about it, and she had no idea what was happening. (But she apologized anyway.) It&#8217;s really a shame that they&#8217;re undermining her efforts this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ziegenhagen</title>
		<link>http://theaterforthefuture.com/bad-form-cirque-marketing-dept-slips-on-its-own-banana/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Ziegenhagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Vaynerchuk has said a lot of smart things about the necessity of authenticity in new-media marketing.  Some of his basic points are here, and completely relate to the CdS campaign: http://bit.ly/uj3LY

On a broader level, I&#039;m kind of fascinated with all of the cultural and theatrical issues that come into play when a physical theater company moves into the realm of language and jokes.  Jeune Lune in Minneapolis reached a middle ground between French humor and Minnesota humor, though the verbal jokes weren&#039;t as seamless as the physical ones.  Montreal, where Cirque originates, has had two separate scenes for comic theater: British music-hall/sketch-inspired comedy on the Anglophone side, and joual (slang)-heavy local comedy on the Francophone side.  I&#039;m curious to see how they make the leap into vaudville.  As you say, I hope it&#039;s with a surer foot than their marketing campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Vaynerchuk has said a lot of smart things about the necessity of authenticity in new-media marketing.  Some of his basic points are here, and completely relate to the CdS campaign: <a target="_blank" href="http://bit.ly/uj3LY"  rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/uj3LY</a></p>
<p>On a broader level, I&#8217;m kind of fascinated with all of the cultural and theatrical issues that come into play when a physical theater company moves into the realm of language and jokes.  Jeune Lune in Minneapolis reached a middle ground between French humor and Minnesota humor, though the verbal jokes weren&#8217;t as seamless as the physical ones.  Montreal, where Cirque originates, has had two separate scenes for comic theater: British music-hall/sketch-inspired comedy on the Anglophone side, and joual (slang)-heavy local comedy on the Francophone side.  I&#8217;m curious to see how they make the leap into vaudville.  As you say, I hope it&#8217;s with a surer foot than their marketing campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and look!  If you&#039;re reading this and fear making the same mistake as Cirque, read this interview &amp; book to get back on track:  

http://bigorangeslide.com/2009/10/grip-interviews-rebecca-coleman/

(@rebeccacoleman is a friend of mine, but no, she didn&#039;t pay me to say that.  She&#039;s just good and knows what she&#039;s talking about)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and look!  If you&#8217;re reading this and fear making the same mistake as Cirque, read this interview &#038; book to get back on track:  </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://bigorangeslide.com/2009/10/grip-interviews-rebecca-coleman/"  rel="nofollow">http://bigorangeslide.com/2009/10/grip-interviews-rebecca-coleman/</a></p>
<p>(@rebeccacoleman is a friend of mine, but no, she didn&#8217;t pay me to say that.  She&#8217;s just good and knows what she&#8217;s talking about)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keenan</title>
		<link>http://theaterforthefuture.com/bad-form-cirque-marketing-dept-slips-on-its-own-banana/comment-page-1/#comment-1597</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I just realized?  I think this scenario has finally allowed me to think outside of the box that the tension between big box promoters and storefront theater is about the PLAYERS.  It&#039;s not.  It&#039;s about the BEHAVIOR.  Promoters who import acts into town like this are capable of promoting them in a way that encourages long-term engagement with the audience - and if they would do that, I think you&#039;d see a lot more residual benefit in the local scene as people became more engaged in interacting with their own entertainment.  

It&#039;s when the promoters choose to shortcut and NOT do that or choose to remain ignorant of better behavior that it becomes a problem.  That said, there are plenty of small theaters with awful marketing etiquette as well - though their ignorance is not nearly as loud without dough to back it.

The common goal here should be improving the way we talk to the audience - encouraging them by example instead of by empty words and comments just how worthwhile it is to make live performance a part of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I just realized?  I think this scenario has finally allowed me to think outside of the box that the tension between big box promoters and storefront theater is about the PLAYERS.  It&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s about the BEHAVIOR.  Promoters who import acts into town like this are capable of promoting them in a way that encourages long-term engagement with the audience &#8211; and if they would do that, I think you&#8217;d see a lot more residual benefit in the local scene as people became more engaged in interacting with their own entertainment.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s when the promoters choose to shortcut and NOT do that or choose to remain ignorant of better behavior that it becomes a problem.  That said, there are plenty of small theaters with awful marketing etiquette as well &#8211; though their ignorance is not nearly as loud without dough to back it.</p>
<p>The common goal here should be improving the way we talk to the audience &#8211; encouraging them by example instead of by empty words and comments just how worthwhile it is to make live performance a part of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Hm. Realized a second too late that my sarcastic mockery of the campaign tactic likely translates in terms of web traffic as a validation. Sorry about that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hm. Realized a second too late that my sarcastic mockery of the campaign tactic likely translates in terms of web traffic as a validation. Sorry about that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this post 100%. Also, it is with gladness in my heart that I am making you to know that the new Cirque show BANANA SHPEEL will be of the highest magnitude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this post 100%. Also, it is with gladness in my heart that I am making you to know that the new Cirque show BANANA SHPEEL will be of the highest magnitude!</p>
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